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What Makes A Player Most Valuable?

In his 2000 Season Summary, Dave Rosengard raised the issue of what makes a player valuable.  In response, Joe Balento offered his own opinion on how performance, and perhaps how the League MVP, should be determined.  I invited further responses and comments, and received several.  This page takes you through the whole schmear to date.  You can scroll through it all, or, if you prefer, jump around using the following menu:

1.  Dave Rosengard's Column (Excerpts)
2.  Joe Balento's Article
3.  Rich Inserro's Response (compiled statistics)
4.  Paul Spriggs' Response
5.  Derek Martinez's Response
6.  Ian Lebowitz's Response
7.  Bill Vernick's Response
8.  Additional statistics I have compiled in response to Derek's and Ian's observations
9.  Joe Balento's Follow-Up Article

1.  Dave Rosengard's Column (Excerpt)

"This year we had enough players each week so people seem dedicated. Balento led the league with most at-bats, hits, RBIs, and HRs but had 10 more losses than wins (17-27). Savell had the highest BA and OBA, was second in SLOB to Dan Schneider, and was third in hits, HRs, and RBIs, but was 4 games under .500 (12-16). Some other leading hitters had similar losing records (Kotik -5, D'Alessio -4, Martinez -4, Gerber -3, Schneider -3). I would think the guys with high RBI, HR, and BA would have a higher W-L record. I was talking to Larry about this and he believes this phenomenon may be due in part to the process of creating and attempting to balance out teams. Maybe we should discuss this at the Winter Meeting."

2.  Joe Balento's Article

"A New Look at Numbers -- by Jose Balento

"In 1998 a mathematician and baseball fan found a new way to measure a players performance on the field. His name is Michael Hoban. He wrote a book titled "Baseball's Complete Players" It's a book I recommend highly. He developed a way to put a players numbers in perceptive and see who really are the best ball players. He called it The HOBAN EFFECTIVENESS QUOTIENT!  The HEQ score. Mr. Hoban says that batting average is not the way to measure a player season.

"In 1980 George Brett hit .390 and won the M.V.P. and in the other league Mike Schmidt hit .286 and won the M.V.P. But who had the better season? Most people would say Brett but Hoban says is it's Schmidt and it's not even close. By using all those other numbers they put up Hoban came with the HEQ offensive scores of 547 for Brett and 624 for Schmidt. To find out more find and read this book!

"The formula for finding a player HEQ offensive score goes like this:

"1 point for a single- 2 points for a double - 3 for a triple and 4 for a home run.

"BUT THAT'S NOT ALL! IT'S ALSO:

"1 point for a run scored -- 1 for an RBI 1 for a stolen base and 1 haft a point for a walk.

"I am not to sure how he came up with these numbers but as you may have guessed I applied this formula to stats of the Softball for the Love of it League. With one change I gave a full point for a walk.

"And folks, here are the HEQ offensive scores for the players who had 100 or more plate appearances in our league in the year 2000:

Balento  268
Savell  203
Tovar  203
Vernick  167
Palma  162
Connor  148
Kotik  142
Hewes  135
Schmerler  108
Naranjo  105
Cohen  74
Rosengard  45

"A HEQ score of 300 means a player (in our league) had a Superstar Season. A HEQ score of 250 means a player has had season worthy of the Weinberg and or Balento Awards. A HEQ score of 200 means a player has had a very very good season indeed. A HEQ score of 150 means a player..... Well that depends on how a player has played. If a player has had like 50 ABs or so than he/she has had a good season. However, a player with over 100 ABs then his/her season was not so good. A HEQ score of 100 is an acceptable season for anyone. In fact it is this writers opinion that the HEQ score of 100 should be the standard require to win the Batting Title or any of the major awards (Weinberg, Balento and Davey). Mainly because a player has to play a lot to get better than 100! You see the more one plays the higher the score can be. That's the way it's designed.

"Anyway this is just a suggestion. If you're confused, you can get the book a speak of online at Barnes and Noble. If you can't get the book then I guess we have something to talk about when next I meet you!

"Yours Truly Jose L. Balento

"P.S. In my next correspondence I will make my picks for the Softball for the Love of It All Star Team!"

[Webmaster's Note: Jose has taken the time to articulate his opinion on how performance, and perhaps how the League MVP, should be determined.  What's your opinion?  I'd be happy to post any comments or thoughts you might have.]

3.  Rich Inserro's Response (compiled statistics)

"Lawrence,

"Geek that I am (and presuming Gerber would do this anyway), I adjusted everyone's HEQ to assume that they played a full 46 game season. For those with 10 or more games played, Gerber comes out on top with 376. If you include all players, Loarte has a whopping 598. But we all realize those stats we padded at the friendly confines of Dobbs Ferry.

"Feel free to quote me. Two sets of stats in the attached spreadsheet."

ADJUSTED HEQ - ALL PLAYERS ADJUSTED HEQ - MIN. 10 GAMES

player_name

games

Adjusted-HEQ

Loarte, Jorge

9

598

Rodriguez Sr., Rich

2

575

John

1

552

Buchanan, Nate

2

483

Rodriguez, Robert

2

437

Connor, Paul

1

414

Uebell, Patrick

1

414

Gerber, Joe

11

376

Rodriguez, Luis

3

368

Taub, B

1

368

Quart, Dan

2

345

Gasper, Mark

6

337

Levine, Doug

4

334

Schneider, Dan

18

332

Liebowitz, Ian

25

326

Martinez, Derek

17

325

Honigman, Dan

2

322

Whelan, Greg

1

322

Savell, Larry

30

311

Wager, Josh

23

310

Greico, John

2

299

Balento, Joe

46

270

Tovar, Rick

35

267

Ingoglia, Glen

4

265

Kotik, Phil

29

263

Connor, Tony

27

252

Rowlands, Rich

14

243

D'Allesio, Vinnie

14

237

Harlow, Steve

3

230

Haskell, Steve

1

230

Hall, Chris

11

217

Inserro, Rich

16

213

Blaukopf, Henry

20

209

George, Dave

2

207

Bronco, Eric

2

207

Armenta, Fran

2

207

Kravitz, Garth

2

207

Khan, Usman

2

207

Vernick, Bill

38

206

Appell, Jeff

23

204

Spriggs, Paul

8

201

Palma, Mike

39

191

Miller, Jeff

8

190

Traub, Peter

5

184

Khan, Mohammed

4

184

Zabinsky, Jay

2

184

Yates, Kip

2

184

Hersh, David

1

184

Naranjo, Bobby

28

173

Indek, Ben

10

170

Smelker, Bob

16

170

Brill, Paul

3

169

Weinberg, Carl

8

167

Connor, Dave

5

166

Lagansky, Rob

11

163

Guletti, Eric

2

161

Robbins, Paul

2

161

Eng, John

2

161

Wood, Keith

7

158

Hewes, Havelock

40

155

Lowenfish, Lee

3

153

Geller, Joe

13

138

Gary

2

138

Hein, Mel

1

138

Finer, Larry

16

132

Schmerler, Gil

38

131

Tames, Jason

13

124

Wager, Matt

12

119

Libman, Peter

4

115

Peck, Larry

2

115

Medina, John

3

107

Ryan, Jim

14

102

Pilsuef, Judd

5

101

Kirchofer, John

5

101

Geoghan, Paul

11

100

Kostner, Sue

4

92

Suppa, Vito

5

92

Taub, L

4

92

Traub, Jacob

3

92

Rodriguez Jr., Rich

2

92

Goldberg, Jon

2

92

Armento, Cisco

2

92

Goldberg, Matt

2

92

Joe

1

92

Geller. Josh

1

92

Quesada, Rudy

1

92

Kranz, Joe

1

92

Mason, Dan

1

92

Geller, Josh

12

88

Cohen, Marvin

39

87

Nawaz, Sam

7

85

Rosengard, David

28

74

Mockrin, Karen

16

72

Santana, Chelo

4

69

Willis, Chuck

2

69

Pitala, Herman

2

69

Subik

2

69

Towers, Matt

2

69

Lopez, Eugene

5

64

Tarjono, Debbie

22

63

Mockrin, Lee

7

59

Rowlands, Nick

4

58

Lawrence, Glen

4

58

Lopez, Steve

4

58

Gomez, Ernie

4

46

Leary, Jake

3

46

Mejia, Louis

2

46

Fogel, J

2

46

Halloway, Donald

1

46

Lefkowitz, L

1

46

Harsh, Jake

1

46

Galizio, Tere

1

46

Leary, Vinny

3

31

Zainsky, David

2

23

Harris, Greg

2

23

Torres, DJ

2

23

Chesley, Neal

2

23

Fogel, Anna

3

15

Klimeck, Don

3

0

Taylor, Scott

2

0

Taub, H

1

0

Frank, Steve

2

0

No Name

1

0

McDonald, Gina

1

0

Klimeck, Al

1

0

Mankoff, Milt

1

0

Minuskin, Tal

1

0

Eubells, Pat

1

0

Fair

1

0

player_name

games

Adjusted-HEQ

Gerber, Joe

11

376

Schneider, Dan

18

332

Liebowitz, Ian

25

326

Martinez, Derek

17

325

Savell, Larry

30

311

Wager, Josh

23

310

Balento, Joe

46

270

Tovar, Rick

35

267

Kotik, Phil

29

263

Connor, Tony

27

252

Rowlands, Rich

14

243

D'Allesio, Vinnie

14

237

Hall, Chris

11

217

Inserro, Rich

16

213

Blaukopf, Henry

20

209

Vernick, Bill

38

206

Appell, Jeff

23

204

Palma, Mike

39

191

Naranjo, Bobby

28

173

Indek, Ben

10

170

Smelker, Bob

16

170

Lagansky, Rob

11

163

Hewes, Havelock

40

155

Geller, Joe

13

138

Finer, Larry

16

132

Schmerler, Gil

38

131

Tames, Jason

13

124

Wager, Matt

12

119

Ryan, Jim

14

102

Geoghan, Paul

11

100

Geller, Josh

12

88

Cohen, Marvin

39

87

Rosengard, David

28

74

Mockrin, Karen

16

72

Tarjono, Debbie

22

63

 

4.  Paul Spriggs' Response

"Larry,

"I think Jose has hit upon a barometer that is fair to all . . . if my vote counts.

"Yes to the proposed plan.

"(Plus if I had played a whole season I would have been in the 220 area.)"

5.  Derek Martinez's Response

"Larry - Please look over and Post on site

"Regarding Jose Balento's (HEQ) scoring system for league MVP, I believe that this system sounds good, but people who lead in games or plate appearances will always be on top of of this scoring system and I don't honestly think that the true MVP is shown this way. One key stat I think is a per at bat stat. Mark McGuire hits a homer every 12 at bats or so which I believe leads the league. So if he finishes a year with 300 plate appearances and has 25 homeruns and X Player finishes the year with 30 homers in 660 plate appearances, a pitcher would more than likely not want to pitch to which player?

"Thus, bringing another point 20 homeruns and 100 walks is better to me than 35 homeruns with 50 walks. But in your HEQ scoring sheet the player with the 35 homeruns would score higher.

"I'll give you and an example from SBFTLOI final stats.

"Balento - 16 HR - 166 AB = 1 HR every 10+ at bats.
"Loarte - 12 HR - 48 AB = 1 HR every 4 at bats.

"This is not a brother favoring another point of view and this is not to take anything away from Balento because I know from experience when he bats and I pitch, I personally have two choices:

"1. Walk him.
"2. Let him hit a homerun.

"At least in Dobbs Ferry I take my chances and walk him. So sorry Joe, but when I pitch in Dobbs Ferry, you probably have a lower HR chance.

"In final, I believe we should have some sort of system to see stats per plate appearance or per game. In the NBA all stats are measured per game. We never hear how many points, rebounds, assists or steals a person has totaled in the year, rather his stats per game."

6.  Ian Lebowitz's Response

"Larry,

"It's an interesting formula; but I think the plate appearances should be 70 or 80 to get more people into the running.  I think wins ought to be a factor somehow.  Vernick and Tovar had a huge amount of wins for the teams they played on compared to others; I find that to be interesting.  I consider the all-around player who can throw, play strong defense, be a leader on the field, and run as well as the offense stats to be the MVP.

"- (ready to play), Ian"

7.  Bill Vernick's Response

"Jose, I agree with your "HEQ" summary. I think it's a good way to tell if a player has made the contributions necessary to win the coveted MVP Award. Also, I think anything that has me coming in 4th is great, because that's as close as I would ever get to MVP.

"However, I would like to factor in a few more things.

"According to this new system, it seems that most of our excellent pitching would not be taken into account. So I think we need a seperate HEQ for pitchers.

"I also think that helping a team win is an important part of MVP (hence the "valuable"). So shouldn't we closely examine our won-loss records and factor that in? (heh-heh, maybe that would push me all the way up to 3rd).

"In addition, there are a number of things people contribute that must also be taken into account, as they make SBFLOI what it is (whatever it is):

"Not Fouling The Ball Off Endlessly Anymore (After 18 Years of Annoying Fouling the Ball Off): 100 points

"Not complaining about neckstrain after watching hundreds of homerun balls fly over your head when pitching in Dobbs Ferry:  150 points

"Providing excellent lunchmeat and other tasty appetizers for the year-end meeting:  500 points

"Providing spicy accounts of last night's dates including intimate physical details:  200 points

"Wearing a cardigan and khakis, biking 28 rough city miles and then pitching a great game:  150 points

"Being Bobby Naranjo:  250 points

"Being Linda Naranjo (also known as "being married to Bobby Naranjo, staying wonderfully cheerful and sweet AND keeping score for our utterly motly crew!):  700 points"

8.  Additional statistics I have compiled in response to Derek's and Ian's observations

Derek's preference to consider performance per at bat, and Ian's preference to consider different at bat thresholds, led me to compile the following chart, which I offer without comment for whatever you may choose to make of it:

HR/AB

Minimum 100 ABs Minimum 75 ABs Minimum 50 ABs
1. Savell
2. Balento
3. Tovar
4. Connor, T
5. Kotik
1. Liebowitz
2. Wager
3. Savell
4. Balento
5. Appel
1. Schneider
2. Liebowitz
3. Martinez
4. Wager
5. Savell
 
3B/AB
Minimum 100 ABs Minimum 75 ABs Minimum 50 ABs
1. Savell
2. Kotik
3. Tovar
4. Balento
5. Palma
1. Savell
2. Kotik
3. Tovar
4. Balento
5. Liebowitz
1. Rowlands, R
2. Savell
3. Kotik
4. Tovar
5. Balento
 
2B/AB
Minimum 100 ABs Minimum 75 ABs Minimum 50 ABs
1. Kotik
2. Savell
3. Vernick
4. Tovar
5. Palma
1. Kotik
2. Savell
3. Liebowitz
4. Vernick
5. Tovar
1. Kotik
2. Savell
3. Liebowitz
4. Vernick
5. Tovar
     

HITS/AB (a.k.a. Batting Average)

Minimum 100 ABs Minimum 75 ABs Minimum 50 ABs
1. Savell
2. Vernick
3. Tovar
4. Kotik
5. Balento
1. Savell
2. Liebowitz
3. Wager
4. Vernick
5. Tovar
1. Savell
2. Schneider
3. Liebowitz
4. Wager
5. Vernick
 

RBI/AB

Minimum 100 ABs Minimum 75 ABs Minimum 50 ABs
1. Tovar
2. Savell
3. Balento
4. Kotik
5. Connor, T
1. Liebowitz
2. Tovar
3. Wager
4. Savell
5. Balento
1. Schneider
2. Liebowitz
3. Tovar
4. Wager
5. Savell
 
TRP/AB
Minimum 100 ABs Minimum 75 ABs Minimum 50 ABs
1. Tovar
2. Kotik
3. Savell
4. Balento
5. Vernick
1. Tovar
2. Wager
3. Kotik
4. Liebowitz
5. Savell
1. Tovar
2. Wager
3. Kotik
4. Liebowitz
5. Schneider
 
OBA
Minimum 100 ABs Minimum 75 ABs Minimum 50 ABs
1. Savell
2. Vernick
3. Balento
4. Tovar
5. Kotik
1. Savell
2. Liebowitz
3. Wager
4. Vernick
5. Balento
1. Savell
2. Liebowitz
3. Schneider
4. Wager
5. Vernick
 
SLOB
Minimum 100 ABs Minimum 75 ABs Minimum 50 ABs
1. Savell
2. Balento
3. Tovar
4. Kotik
5. Connor, T
1. Savell
2. Liebowitz
3. Wager
4. Balento
5. Tovar
1. Schneider
2. Savell
3. Liebowitz
4. Wager
5. Martinez

Here is a spreadsheet I created which adds the new calculations to our existing 2000 Season batting statistics.

I do want to make one point, which is that the future of our League depends on continued active participation by our players.  We should therefore support and encourage those who consistently show up for games (translated into high AB levels), including those that have to travel a significant distance (be it to come to Manhattan, or to come to Dobbs Ferry).  I also think that, if all other things are equal, the player that is able to sustain a high level of performance over a greater number of occasions (i.e., more ABs) is more likely to so perform on a given instance than one who has achieved that level of performance over significantly fewer occasions.

As always, I welcome and offer to post additional thoughts you may have.

9.  Joe Balento's Follow-Up Article

In the last issue of what will now be called Balento Speaks! I wrote about the HEQ Score. A new means of measuring a player performance on the field of play. It has come to my understanding that I have caused some confusion and that maybe the Hoban Effectiveness Quotient needs a little more explanation. O.K.! Now one person said that "but people who lead in games or plate appearances will always be on top of this scoring system" Well my friend that happens to be the idea behind the HEQ. This system IS meant to measure ones performance but also his/her participation. It is a single RAW score that represents what a player has produced throughout the entire season with NO ADJUSTMENTS involved. Another point was given that a player with 35 homers and 50 walks will always have higher score than say a player with 20 homers and 100 walks. All right then let's take a look at this.

Player A 20 HR =4x20 or 80 HEQ points + 100 walks or 100 HEQ points for a total of 180

Player B 35 HR=4x35 or 140 HEQ points + 50 walks or 50 HEQ points for a total of 190

Notice now that player A is only 10 points behind player B. If player A were to exceed B in 2B and or 3B then player A may in fact surpass player B's HEQ score. In reading Mr. Hoban's book I too thought it seemed the system favored sluggers, but that just it. It seemed to favor sluggers! Big case in point. The year 1995 and in 217 at bat season Phil Kotik (the Willie Mays of our league) hit a still league record 25 home runs. In this same year shortstop Joe Gerber in a 335 at bat season hit a mere 13 home runs. Gerber also had 37 walks that season while Kotik had just 20 walks. Now let us take a better look at what these to great players did.

First the HEQ formula.

1B + 2x2B + 3x3B + 4xHR +RBI's + R + BB = HEQ Score

Phil Kotik

HEQ points for 1B 2B 3B HR RBI's R  BB Total Score
HEQ points       52 44 21 100 53     94 20  384

Joe Gerber

HEQ points for 1B 2B 3B HR RBI's R    BB Total Score
HEQ points       86 60 30 52   78     103 37  446

I think these numbers speak for themselves. Upon doing more research I have found that Joe Gerber's score is the highest ever in the history of the Softball for the Love of It League. I closing I must say I never said nor suggested that the player with the HEQ be named the MVP. What I was trying to say was the PLAYERS that HEQs in the neighborhood of 100 or so be the true candidates for our various awards. I know that in my last issue of Balento Speaks I promised that I would make picks for the SFTLOI all star team but I guess I will have to save it for a future issue. (Whenever that will be.) 'Till then Thank You and God Bless.

Yours Truly Jose L. Balento

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